Concealed carry bill headed to governor

Three changes being made to current gun law.
Scott Seitz2
Dec 17, 2012

An amended House Bill 495 was passed by the Ohio Senate on Thursday by a 26-7 vote. Two and a half hours later, the Ohio House voted 66-23 to concur with Senate amendments.

The amended bill makes three changes to current gun law. A detailed story about the changes was published in Saturday's Reflector.

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mitchell

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Bluto

Tell that to the twenty dead children . Average citizens don't need assault or assault-like weapons .

TheGravyWhisperer

...OK, here's a nugget of logic for any knee-jerk legislator who would disarm the nation... why would you take away thousands of guns from responsible people who have the courage, the means and 'sense of responsibility' to defend its citizens, young and old, against the occasional nutcase who gets hands on 'any' weapon? A concealed weapon in the hands of a responsible citizen/teacher/administrator/etc. could have eliminated or greatly reduced many of the tragedies that have unfolded in our society... these tragedies have almost always unfolded in places where gun restrictions prevent defense... Legislators who want to disarm the public are using that 'sheepskin' to make helpless their constituency - make no mistake about that!

buckeye15

Really! It is too bad the first victim in Connecticut didn't own guns. She could have stopped this nutcase!

dontcare

Yea, it's too bad a nut case had a gun in the first place.

buckeye15

Maybe you didn't get the sarcasm in my comment. The 1st victim was his mother. She owned at least 5 (maybe more) guns...for her protection. Since he used one on her (and 27 others), I guess they didn't help her much....kinda goes directly against the argument I keep hearing from all the gun lovers.

Cliff Cannon

@ TheGravyWhisperer: There is a very telling picture of a man in a cowboy hat circulating on 'facebook' now.


It says : " You actually think criminals will obey gun control laws ?
Then your a special kind of stupid,aren't you ? "


NuFF said ?

TheGravyWhisperer

...yup, that nails it, thanks...

tell it how it is

There does need to be stricter rule on getting guns, I believe that. Updating licenses, background checks to buy, ectect. But in no way, at any time, will it be ok for our right to be taken away. People in countries where there is ridiculously strict laws will tell you if it did make a difference, it made it worse.

Dr. Information

Ummm, I take it you have never bought a gun before because that is exactly what they do right now. You have to have a federal background check to buy a gun no matter what state you are from.

buckeye15

@ Dr. (Incorrect) Information: Maybe you should check your facts. 40% of the guns sold in this country are sold with no background check.

richrs

though not from a licensed dealer. the unregistered sales from newspaper ads and gun shows is a major hole that needs plugged.

propman

When at a gun show you still get the instant background check when buying from a licensed dealer.
If you go to sell your own gun you can't do a background check since only licensed dealers can access the database.
Stop regurgitating the liberal propaganda.

richrs

@propman
the last thing on earth i am is a libreal. If i had my way there wouldnt be any of these touchy feely gun laws. if you wanted to carry a sidearm concealed the hardest decision i'd have to make is which one and what holster. so kinda makes your statement lame as you doesn't? now go play with your prop little man.

propman

richrs you said "though not from a licensed dealer. the unregistered sales from newspaper ads and gun shows is a major hole that needs plugged."
To 'PLUG" that so called loophole would reguire more intrusive "touchy feely" laws
Before you attack someone's stand on an issue be sure of your own position first!

dontcare

Yea quit speaking the truth propman doesn't want to hear it

propman

"Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?" (Patrick Henry, 3 J. Elliot, Debates in the Several State Conventions 45, 2d ed. Philadelphia, 1836)

dontcare

30 shootings in one week-end in Chicago, 70 school shootings since Columbine. Accidental shootings and suicides from guns are far more likely than self defense from guns, yea we cannot be trusted with arms for "our defense".

KnuckleDragger

@dontcare, funny you should bring up Chicago, a city that has the toughest gun control laws in the nation, and one of the highest gun crime rates. Connecticut is consistenly ranked in the top 5 in the US by the Brady idiots for gun control laws yet the school shooting still happened. Then we have the State of Utah which has some of the most lenient gun laws in the nation, and one of the lowest crime rates. In Utah teachers are permitted to be armed in the classroom, and guess what not a single incidence of school shootings. You are wrong again on the suicides and accidental shootings being far more likely than self defense. There are numerous studies that show that defensive situations where guns are used happen much more often than accidents and shootings, in fact I believe on study put it at about 75 to 1. Quit pulling stuff out of your backside and do a little research will ya?

dontcare

knuckle dragger, give me one study that supports your 75 to 1 statistic. That is not true. Are you suggesting that teachers carry guns in schools? If you are also suggesting that more guns mean less crime, you are beyond having any meaningful discussion. In reference to research, I would suggest to read beyond the NRA website and Fox news.

propman

You may want to open your eyes to the facts that CNN, MSNBC, ABC, AP and all the other so called news services never give any coverage to.
Censorship comes from what is NOT covered, how it is covered, reporter's personal views(yes that shades their report)more then any lies that some organization/government tells

dontcare

Right Glenn Beck is the only person with access to the "real news"

Dr. Information

So what news do you watch? Chris Matthews?

Dr. Information

@buckeye.....I simply answered your question. Any LICENSED gun dealer is required by law to do a background check, and they do just that. After that there is no way to do a background check through a private sale. Come on buckeye, lets hear your grand plan to stop private sales and do background checks on them. This should be real good. Also, the name calling doesn't do anything kid except show once again your intelligence.

buckeye15

First of all you did not answer my question....I didn't ask one. Second, I merely pointed out that you gave incorrect or incomplete information. Third, you accuse me of name calling, and then turn around and call me kid? Really? Fourth, you insult my intelligence, because I corrected your information you incorrectly put out there? Wow!

Uputwhatwhere7

@Buckeye Yeah by the federal government selling them to the Mexican drug lords. So we want our government regulating us on our gun owning rights? I think not. Especially when they are supplying the guns to the people selling all the addicts drugs around here. The guns they sold to the Mexicans are taking American lives.

What is going through congress about the Ohio ccw is good though. It's actually going to help the law abiding gun carrier so no complaints there from me.

dontcare

Which countries are you talking about? There is no need for military weapons and banana clips, or armor piercing ammo in the hands of ordinary citizens. I don't want to be at the mercy of some idiot with a gun fantisizing about being a hero. The seoond amendment is not absolute.

propman

a quote from Thomas Jefferson you need to look at-

The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.

Yes we THE PEOPLE need military weapons for when we have no choice left but to exorsize the real intent of the 2nd amendment for we will be up against the military.

dontcare

Are you kidding me. We had just fought a revolution against England at that point. I would suggest you quit watching Dooms Day Prepper and realize we are living in the 21st century.

propman

I do not watch that bullcrap show, it falls into the area of propaganda.

"There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters. "
Noah Webster
American Lexicographer

Dosn't matter when it is there will always be those who seek power over you.

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