Norwalk council to decide playground saga tonight

01:00 PM
Feb 07
2012
Norwalk council to decide playground saga tonight

Norwalk city council members are scheduled to decide the fate of a supplemental for moving playground equipment at Sofios Park at tonight's meeting.

The city administration is requesting about $5,000 to move the equipment away from the Lee family property to a more central location. Council can either pass the legislation, vote it down or the ordinance could die for lack of a motion to be read.

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Mar 23, 2012
10:42 AM

kinley says

Outdoor Playground Equipment not only provides entertainment to kids but also develops their physical strength, dexterity, agility and concentration. It also helps them to make a lot of friends. Coming to the equipments itself; check whether it is age-suitable for the child, or is risky or unsafe in any way. Outdoor Playground Equipment
Feb 13, 2012
10:06 AM

grr says

aw just put it in your yard
Feb 11, 2012
01:40 AM

ThomasJefferson says

41 posts COMMONSENSE has made on this thread...and for the record...I don't think you are Bryan Marcum....I think you are his mommy.
Feb 12, 2012
02:29 AM

swiss family says

YEP.... you can tell you have them scrambling "Commonsense" when they don't even try to debate ideas or logic, when they start to count how many times you post, or correct your spelling, or punctuation etc... they got nothing logical to say.....good for you.... finally a voice with some real common sense
Feb 11, 2012
12:58 PM

rbenn says

Kinda creepy dont you think?
Feb 11, 2012
04:47 PM

Kottage Kat says

At the very least, excessive.
Feb 10, 2012
09:22 AM

ThomasJefferson says

IAMREVOLUTIONARY- Couldn't agree with you more.
Feb 10, 2012
07:19 AM

iamrevolutionary says

I would just want our grand children to be in a SAFE, non-muddy, non-buggy, play area.. That is in view of myself or my family, without obstruction, and I don't believe this place fits the bill. Before we moved our family to the country, we had to take the kids to the parks and such, in the Huron Cty. area. NONE that we took our kids to had areas that we could not see our kids %100 of the time! This 'Soccer Park' seems to be the LEAST safe,IMO.. With misquitoes, flies, mud, wooded areas, sex offenders in area,.........NO WAY our we taking our grandchildren to this place! I don't care about the political crap of this mess. I only care about the kids! You ALL should too!
Feb 10, 2012
08:20 PM

commonsense says

I am concerned about the kids and the public. Have you ever seen the kids playing football at the grade schools, beginning football? They get muddy and dirty if they practice after a rain. The same with Soccer. Keep your kids home and inside if you don't want them to get dirty. Parents are supposed to watch their own children, even at a public park, football game, or soccer game. The wooded area didn't spring up over night. It is indiginus to that part of Norwalk and has been for several decades. A wetland is a natural habatat, is part of nature, and was NOT created by the park department. It is being developed and made usable for the public. The "bugs" are ubiquitous. In case you don't know my big word, which is perfect explaining this to you, it means everywhere. It is part of the earth's natural management of itself. The government is not responsible for your child getting bit by a bug. You have a responsibility, when the bug population is high, put repellent on your kid or stay inside. Go to the Mall for goodness sake, and let people that enjoy nature enjoy it in their own town.
Feb 10, 2012
09:53 AM

Kottage Kat says

iamrevolitnary, Thank you and well said. I do not give a toads toenail who lives where, my concern is the safety of those who use the equipment. Kat
Feb 09, 2012
06:00 PM

Taxpayer68 says

I take it you haven't asked him.
Feb 09, 2012
04:19 PM

Taxpayer68 says

Rebel- Picking up sticks for the park and rec hardly qualifies you as an expert on that department. If the playground is in such a great location why would it be an attack to say it was his decision to put it there? Why don't you ask him yourself? It will be interesting to hear what he says.
Feb 09, 2012
05:35 PM

-rebel says

@ taxpayer68 - Excuse me for caring enough to volunteer my own time picking up trash in our city’s parks. I have never declared myself as an expert on the park and rec department. You’ve made it very clear how you have a personal problem with Bryan, which again proves your ignorance. Not only is this city blessed to have him as our parks director, we’re also equally blessed to have a super talented parks garage crew that he manages. IF YOU HAVE A$$ TWITCHING PROBLEMS WITH THIS NEW SOCCER PARK, I SUGGEST YOU TAKE IT TO THE SOURCE OF THE PROBLEM (former Mayor Lesch). By the way, my expertise is mechanical & civil engineering, environmental conservation, and being a smart ass!
Feb 09, 2012
01:11 PM

Kottage Kat says

My first encounter with Bryan Marcum was at a ROB DUNCAN fundraiser, not quite sure if he was there for the free food, or to garner information for the "other side". I found him to be courteous and answered my questions to the best of his ability. His obectivity was a little "off the mark", I did not dislike him, nor do I today. To say I was more than amazed to see him there is fact. Being one who does not form opinions based on what people say, I take the information, assimilate it, go to many sources, become informed and then make a decision. Always, my last source for correct information is the local journalistic effort, too many times when gathering information I find them to less than factual in their reporting. They obviously are in the "spin zone" and do that to sell papers. Have NO blind loyalty to anyone or anything, one has to be objective, and I try to be just that. Being informed, and getting the facts will far better serve to enlighten. Again I repeat for those with limited reading comprehension, I do NOT dislike Mr. Marcum, and understand his necessary loyalty to his employer. Perhaps if those who have not, would observe the structure in question, it would become clear that the issue is SAFETY. Norwalk Reflector AKA The Parkville Gazette. Kat
Feb 09, 2012
02:03 PM

swiss family says

just a friendly reminder.. I still have available my rubberized wrist bands, with the phrase WWKKD on them.. so you can look at it in times of question and hopefully make your life complete by asking yourself in that situation... WWKKD???? they are $4.89 plus S&H and come in various colors.. thank you !!
Feb 09, 2012
09:04 AM

Taxpayer68 says

Common sense tells me that commonsense is Brian Marcum. Who else would take it so personally that the playground location makes no sense? You should be paying to move the darn thing Mr. Marcum. Now that would make sense.
Feb 10, 2012
08:28 PM

commonsense says

LOL No I am not Bryan Marcum. So we have a mystery. No need to guess. You don't know me, I don't work for the city, I am just an observer which is what I have said from the beginning. I DO NOT LIKE the way a very few monopolize this board, and ridicule others that disagree with them. I have seen them TWIST FACTS that I have observed to be very different from their opinion. Maybe i am a vigilante. A Lone Ranger type.
Feb 12, 2012
02:19 AM

swiss family says

AMEN
Feb 09, 2012
11:47 AM

-rebel says

@ Taxpayer68 - You just proved how IGNORANT you are on this whole situation by your pathetic attack at Bryan Marcum. Bryan is one of the best employees in the City of Norwalk besides the fact that he's a very honorable man. You won't find many people like Bryan who are truly dedicated to their job like he is. I understand you think he might be responsible for this whole mess, but he's NOT. There is an ultimate chain of command of who dictate orders, and you need to keep looking up the chain, even in the direction of a particular former mayor.
Feb 09, 2012
06:00 PM

Cliff Cannon says

@rebel: Wow ! Here's something we ---totally agree on. Bryan Marcum is indeed a very honorable man,with a tremendous work ethic.Any one blessed enough to call Bryan 'friend' is indeed,a very lucky person.
Feb 09, 2012
01:48 AM

swiss family says

IN MY OPINION....I think that part of the confusion is coming from the fact that people keep referring to this area , as a PARK....I think it is meant to be much more than that.. Of course, IF it were only a park, it would make complete sense to install the playground equipment and the concession stands and restrooms, etc, in a centralized location, and use the available space a thoroughly and completely as possible.. IF it were only a PARK< it would be wrong to install all of these space consuming buildings and equipment off to a far and away side, totally away from everything...but to the best of my knowledge, this is MORE than a PARK.. it is going to be a SOCCER COMPLEX.. so now with a specific plan and layout for such a complex, it would now seem totally illogical to place these things in the middle of all of the available area.. Just like you would NOT put this kind of equipment and buildings in the middle of a football complex or baseball diamond, because you need the empty space to fill the purpose of the complex, this is the same reason that these "extras" need to be set off to the side, and yes, probably close to, but within the legal limits of peoples homes.. it is unfortunate that this one family seems to think that they can control property that is NOT their own , and to dictate what and where things are on their neighboring property..

I have to say that I have been trying to wait to see what the new administration will do. What direction they will follow.. I do have to say that If the Mayor was NOT there for this meeting, actually the first meeting that would actually have "teeth" involved in it, it is unfortunate that he was not able to attend.. I am glad that council decided to "table" this until he is able to be there.. I also have to point out how disappointed I am in the new Safety /Service director's comments were, and how disappointed that no one, especially no member of city council called him on his statement..So far this man has made at least two public statements that I would have thought would be challenged, but were not..I have to let the first one go, because I can NOT remember word for word the statement, but in this case, with the public and council waiting to hear the debate, and the reasoning to either move or not move this equipment, and obviously asked for his opinion as reported in the newspaper, this man says that "we are considering other options"????????????????????/ such as??? why didn't anyone follow up with a question as to what other options there could possibly be, and discuss the opinions and thoughts on these options??? "WE" were told about, and heard so much about the "time for transparency" and how they would be working better with everyone, and how it would no longer be "My way or the highway" type of administration, as so many mistakenly accused the previous administration of doing. so OK.. lets see this transparency that we have heard for so long.. tell us what you have in mind, or do you need to keep that under your cap?? or not as transparent as you were claiming to want to be...

I hope that Mayor is feeling better, I know of a lot of people who have been sick lately with this nice, but confusing weather..I am beginning to wonder if the statements that were made throughout the campaign, were just made to pacify the voter to get their vote, with no real intent of having the administration that was promised to us..Transparency is just that, and you can NOT have that when you give half statements and other misleading statements to the awaiting public, the public that you claimed you would be so transparent to....
Feb 08, 2012
11:42 PM

ThomasJefferson says

The fact that you have mentioned someone by name over 25 times in this comment section, shows you have a lot of built up anger toward this person for some reason. You don't even know if half of what you are saying is true, or if moving the playground even has anything to do with the person you are attacking yet you go on and on like a broken record. Something really does not add up here.
Feb 08, 2012
09:30 PM

Taxpayer68 says

Thanks for the info commonsense. I never thought of it before, but now that you pointed it out. It does seem a little ironic given that the previous administration must have disliked Mrs. Lee and that the playground was put so close to her house. I actually thought this was about someone who must not have known what they were doing putting the playground in a dangerous corner. I know realize they knew exactly what they were doing.
Feb 09, 2012
09:29 AM

commonsense says

That is what Mz Lee thought. She thought the park people were targeting her. Ha, she puts too much emphasis on her part as a Norwalk citizen.
Feb 09, 2012
09:30 AM

commonsense says

Now how did you get that from what I said? MZ Lee has nothing to do at all with where anything is on the soccer field. She has been complaining about everything since they started cutting trees. The previous administration did everything they could to placate her and the cackle, coffee clubbers. They tried to appease her, buy her and give her everything she wanted short of hiring her to design the complex. Don't put words into what I say here. Don't read between the lines. Just read the words. There is no dangerous corner of that soccer field. That is what "you" said, and you aparently are siding with the rhetoric of Mz She.
Feb 08, 2012
08:17 PM

norwalkresident says

@Commonsense . Boy did you help me narrow this down to who you are real quick. There are 3 possible men this could be. The person sitting directly behind 2 of us that your refering to was a man I think works for the rec. maybe? He also said there was tile back there in soccer complex so if that is true why is all the water not draining then? That was the question. For your info I have attended many meetings in the last 5 years. Where were you then? So let’s see that leaves the other 2 people behind us. The Economic Developer and then from her right the Norwalk Reflector reporter Scott Seitz (who could not hear clearly). Surely this would not be him blogging? To my right we have the uptown business owner (who could not hear clearly either) (who appeared to be bored thru the whole meeting). I personally thought this business man to be smarter than this. I do believe him and his wife were both big supporters of Duncan. Or the young guy sitting at the end who might be in his 20's. Would you like to know where any others were sitting be glad to share that. But you were there right? Please take me off the coffee club list also. I just met Mrs. Lee a few months ago and have never had coffee with her. I don’t care who said this or that my main concern is the little kids’ safety? What is yours? Do you have kids? If you don’t then I guess you wouldn’t see the real issue here because you are not a parent. Also for your info the reason I go to council is to hear it for myself and not get it second handed in the paper. It is like the game played when a child tells first person the message and by the time it is at third person it already is not the same message. Yes votes count and mine did.
Feb 10, 2012
11:40 AM

Scott Seitz says

It's not me blogging....

Feb 10, 2012
03:56 PM

norwalkresident says

I know it is not you. I was stating who was where. I know who it is. I will in the future consider the source..
Feb 10, 2012
08:32 PM

commonsense says

You do? I don't know you. lololol
Feb 10, 2012
11:53 AM

Kottage Kat says

Scott, You have a style uniquely your own, and common non sense does not even come close. Know who common non sense is, so you are in the clear. Kat
Feb 10, 2012
04:28 PM

Seriously_Local says

And we know who you are, since you lived across the street from the Fureys. You must be just who I think you are. I grew up in the same neighborhood.
Feb 10, 2012
05:44 PM

Kottage Kat says

Kousin Kittie, I never said I lived across from Furey's, I said my parents did, hunny your reading comprehension is not so good. I did not grow up there, please re-read my post. " Councilman resigns" Feb 8, 5:13 pm. Just to help you out a wee bit. Kat
Feb 10, 2012
06:24 PM

Seriously_Local says

Okay Patty!
Feb 10, 2012
07:01 PM

Kottage Kat says

Your welcomed. Pat
Feb 08, 2012
09:37 PM

commonsense says

Believe me, you didn't see me. I came in late and left early. don't strain yourself, you may end up implicating the wrong person.

Well good, you can excuse yourself from my rant then, if you are not following the leader in this case. I tend to generalize and not quote exactly how people relate in this case. "coffee clatch" is not someone who actually drinks coffee together. Poetic license and all that. There is a Kat in here that is so close to mz lee that she might as well be a siamese twin. What one does the other one does. i don't think any of them are thinking for themselves except for the leader of the pac. Swiss family calls them the...awww I forget what he calls them. Oh I know, the cackle club. that is probably better than the coffee clatchers.

Feb 08, 2012
10:09 PM

norwalkresident says

@ commonsense You are tripping on your own words here buddy. The discussion you were refering to took place before council meeting so you were there early not late. Unless you are lying that you were there and seen this conversation or you are lying you were late. So much for you getting info right you can't even keep your stories straight. I have figured out who you are and you have a lot to learn. Younger generation always know it all. I would think you would be concerned more about your childrens safety at the park and not as much about gossip. But you would be one of those parents that would be the first to sue if something happened to your child that it was the citys fault for where they located it. What you say has no merit to me because you don't have your own story straight let alone what is going on in the city.
Feb 10, 2012
08:35 PM

commonsense says

Maybe I will keep you up at night trying to figure out who I am. That is good. You didn't see me, you don't know me. I am telling you like it is, no matter how you twist things to change what I have said. Sounds like a Rumplestilskin riddle.
Feb 08, 2012
06:49 PM

ThomasJefferson says

@COMMONSENSE- It takes a real man to make such derogatory, hateful statements against a woman you probably don’t even know. I am personally worried for Mrs. Lee's safety- because you clearly show an unhealthy obsession with her. CREEPY.
Feb 08, 2012
09:38 PM

commonsense says

I made absolutely no threat at all. And don't start something like that as a smoke screen. I am doing what I am going to do right here. Disclosing her agenda. That is it bud.
Feb 08, 2012
07:07 PM

Kottage Kat says

Thomas Jefferson, If indeed this common nonsense person knew Mrs. Lee, he/she/it would know that the statements he/she/it says are not only libelous, they are untrue. Many people have spoken out about the safety issue. Perhaps if the picture had been taken from another vantage point, what citizens are saying about safety would have been clear. It was done with one intent and one intent only and that was to malign the Lee's. I have lived here 63 years and the malicious gagle that is on here belies what I believe is good about Norwalk. Personally attacking anyone is so tacky, and I was always told, "The only way to make yourself look tall, is make another person look small". Kat
Feb 10, 2012
08:42 PM

commonsense says

Many people meaning all 5 of you? What safety issue? The design is to take care of safety issues. I have read Ohio playground standards, many years ago. I use to be more involved professionally. I suppose you could google it and get your facts straight before you start calling the soccer field a safety hazard. That won't get you any attention because everyone with a brain knows it was designed for safety. The safety issues will be whether the parents supervise their own children, at any park or store in Norwalk. From what you all have said, if it were applied to Main Street in Norwalk, Main Street businesses are a child safety hazard. So you think children are supposed to be turned loose to run at will with the safety design of the complex being the baby sitter? That is the problem with parents today. They want everyone else to be responsible for their own children's safety.
Feb 08, 2012
09:48 PM

commonsense says

I never said I know that woman. I have read about her and read here in the reflector what she has done and what she has said at council. Reading the words makes one understand what is going on when there is no prejudice for or against. I just hope other Norwalk Residents get the facts from transcripts of council and the public record of what was done and who did it.
Feb 08, 2012
09:39 PM

commonsense says

They are not untrue. They are taken straight from the Norwalk Reflector.
Feb 08, 2012
10:34 PM

Kottage Kat says

Common nonsense, Now that thar is a real reliable source of information fer sure.
Feb 10, 2012
08:46 PM

commonsense says

Well, they have reported it the ying and the yang of it. I took side against the trouble makers with the agenda. I believe in public action, where there is a real problem. But not one that is personal to the person that is harassing the Parks division of Norwalk and the administration. A fine line between citizen action and harassment. Harassment and extortion for personal purposes of a few is worse than where the soccer field is located.
Feb 08, 2012
05:33 PM

ThomasJefferson says

Qamy-Good except for the fact that the soccer association does have a stake in this issue since they made an initial investment of over 20k and will be on the hook for 10k a year to use the facility when it's done. They DID relay that they would have preferred that EVERYTHING be in the middle, as it is in most soccer complexes, and they definitely want the play structure moved. The police department also made a recommendation based on the safety aspect and the fact that they cannot even see the playground in its present location when they patrol the area. None of that has been mentioned in these articles, but then the headline should give you a good indication of how bias the article is going to be. What a shame that controversy sells papers and the facts have been ignored- along with the safety of our children. It is a joke to even comment on the cost of the move when 100's of thousands of dollars have been spent on the complex. The National Enquirer has got nothing on the paper in this town.
Feb 10, 2012
08:51 PM

commonsense says

That is just crazy, Mz Lee, you are her aren't you?. Every time I go down Oakwood I see that beaufiful play set sitting big and bold through the gap in the trees. Maybe that is why they had to cut down those trees? And just who is this anonymous person you quote as the head of the soccer association. I want a name and the exact organization so I can check that out. A professional soccer field designer maybe? I don't think anyone wants the liability of moving that play set now. Talk about liability.
Feb 08, 2012
10:51 AM

6079 Smith W says

Mayor Duncan was out due to "illness"? Citizens should request a doctor's excuse.

Resignation, Mayor MIA - one should hope that this isn't a preview of coming attractions.

Feb 10, 2012
03:25 AM

Snoozer says

I heard the sniffles were going around....lol
Feb 08, 2012
05:18 PM

commonsense says

Someone

Would it bother you if Saturday mail delivery ended?

Yes
26% (40 votes)
No
70% (109 votes)
Not sure
3% (4 votes)
Other (and I'll share my thoughts in the comments below)
2% (3 votes)
Total votes: 156