Airport owes county commissioners $67,000

In the late 1990s, Huron County loaned the airport $100,000 to build hangars.
Scott Seitz2
Feb 15, 2014

The Huron County Airport Authority board members discussed in detail at Wednesday's meeting how to resolve a large debt owed the county commissioners.

Back in the late 1990s, the county commissioners loaned the airport $100,000 to build hangars.

As part of the deal, the airport board members agreed to pay the commissioners back annually through 2012.

The airport made about three years of payments before asking the commissioners for an extension or some "time off" from making payments until finances improved. The commissioners at the time agreed to that set-up in the early 2000s.

 

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Comments

Yakov

Your tax dollars at work...nice fiduciary responsibility...wonder how many other dollars are owed from others or were just poorly spent with little control or prudent thought...no big deal, spending YOUR money is easy...little accountability and less responsibility...

propman

How much in property taxes has the airport payed over the years that if only the commissioners had properly filed for an exemption for publicly owned property?
They most likely have been able to repay the loan from that.
How much more has been over payed in property taxes due to over valuation of the big hanger. They had it valued at over 4 times it's actual value.
Essex is one to talk about late payments, how long was it he didn't pay his taxes? Did you ever pay the penalties and interest on that Essex?

Fibber Mcgee

Isn't Carl currently serving on the board, have you ever served?
Just curious. you seem to have some ideas, you should serve if you can.

propman

I and many others who know aviation applied and the commissioners placed people who had no background in aviation on the board.
From what I've heard they all go to the same church.
That looks like that "Good Old Boy Network" some others here have been complaining about to me.

Ralph Wiggum

You applied? When did you become a Huron County resident? Don't you work at an airport in Lorain County which would be considered competition to this one? In which county did you pay income and property taxes for 2013?

propman

Hi, Essex
Didn't take long for you to find the password for your Ralph persona.
Why not regurgitate your lies here through him as well as your other personas.
I am for improvement of aviation everywhere even in this county which when reading your posts most would wonder how someone still in the stone age got a hold of a computer.
Where I work we see aircraft/parts from all over the world, even from Huron County airport. We even fly charters for Huron County businesses.
As I see it whenever aviation is endangered by shortsighted Neanderthals like you and the commissioners someone needs to point out to the people how they are being hurt by that.
I already said make your best guess about whether I have moved or not. The property taxes I owe were payed on time. I have never had to pay penalties and interest on them.

Ralph Wiggum

Such a nasty person. I asked you a few simple questions and that's your response? The airport friends must be proud of you and the image you portray of what a true airport supporter is like.
So you still don't live in Huron County like I thought and paying your taxes somewhere else. When was the last time you heard of a school board member, county commissioner, city councilperson, or township trustee that didn't live inside of the jurisdiction they represent? It's called, "having a dog in the fight". It stops mismanagement and waste. You're less likely to do stupid things when it's your own money you're wasting. Having the people you're screwing over as neighbors is another incentive to make the right choices.
I've flown on a 747 five times, does that qualify me to repair the engines? You think that because you have a job that puts you around planes, you're an expert on how an airport should be run? If this charter service isn't run out of this airport than you being on the board would be a conflict. Heck, even if it did operate out of this airport being in a position to benefit yourself by making a decision to favor your company would be a conflict of interest. I know you hate conflicts of interest immensely since you have your mouth open constantly about Essex and the things you allege.

propman

You call me nasty with all the attacks and even threats you have posted against me and others you disagree with. Very good, exactly what is expected from someone who has no valid reason for their position.
I may not be an "expert" but at least I'd understand the needs and not be violating the requirements of the position. As a board member (and now President of the board) talking down the airport and the benefits it provides the community is a violation of the trust the public has of someone holding such a post.
Is it not a serious conflict of interest for the board president whom is charged with maintaining and improving the airport is instead working to denigrate it and eliminate the sources of funding it already has?
That describes accurately who the airport board has now as president.
Even if I provided proof of residence you'd still deny me as having any reason to protect the airport from a political lackey such as you.
You turn things into circles verbally and in writing in an attempt to confuse everyone. When I had you pinned down on a certain issue last year it was like watching a snake squirming to get off a spear. Twisting everything you said into knots in an attempt to extricate yourself from the corner your lies placed you.
It would have been very amusing if the effect of what you are doing was not so costly.
As to this " You're less likely to do stupid things when it's your own money you're wasting." You just admitted that you are not promoting the airport. And as to this "Having the people you're screwing over as neighbors is another incentive to make the right choices." the question I have is why hasn't that stopped you from "screwing them over"?

Ralph Wiggum

First, I will tell once again as I have numerous times in the past, I am not Essex! I understand you continue to use that as a crutch to garner sympathy for your opinion but it's getting lame. You say, "your lies"? Since you started off your first response with "Hi Essex, Didn't take long for you to find the password for your Ralph persona." you're calling Essex a liar? Then there's three more lines, "It would have been very amusing if the effect of what you are doing was not so costly." and "You just admitted that you are not promoting the airport" and finally, "Even if I provided proof of residence you'd still deny me as having any reason to protect the airport from a political lackey such as you." I guess at this point you stay with your accusation or admit you were wrong and offer Mr. Essex an apology. What will it be?
Ah yes the "benefits it provides to the community" line once again. What exactly are those benefits? Is one of those job creation and retention because if it is, read the paper and find out how well it's working. Was one of the reasons why Kmart decided to close due to the airport not getting all of the tax dollars it wants? What about Epic and Janesville? Why didn't they stay here if having a dumpy and unused airport close is so important? If the next benefit is the airport keeping it's promises to pay money back then the taxpayers and the companies it serves lose one more time.
I guess when it comes to "screwing them over", if you're on the minority side, it probably looks that way. It's a simple solution to place it on the ballot and ask county residents for their opinion. I assume that would not go over well with the airport users because we would have hard numbers as opposed to a dream list of the airport's value to the community.

propman

More twists and turns again Ralph, and you wonder how I have pegged you as Essex
One more time in the little I have right now.
Sunrise sold over $750.000 in chemicals to the crop duster to apply to the local farmers fields. that increases their profits(the farmers) dramatically or they wouldn't do it. Sales of that much to Sunrise Has to be the difference in at least one person there having a job or not.
I'll get back to you but right now my time is up and I have to get back to work.

Ralph Wiggum

So you are calling Essex a liar in a public forum? That's as clear as I can make it for you. What's the answer?

propman

Essex is a politician who could teach Obama how to speak for hours and never say anything factual.
Going to threaten me with a law suit again, Ralph?

Ralph Wiggum

Nope. I told you time and time again that I am not Essex. Your comments and character attacks are aimed at him. What Mr. Essex may or may not decide to do would be his choice.
Please continue to be the poster child for the airport supporters. It makes it so much easier for the general public to form their opinion about the airport.

propman

Ralph, If people in positions of responsibility Are not called on what they do wrong then we have no reason to complain about the damage they do.
I am calling him and the commissioners on it. You are trying to help cover it up with your mis-directions and spins of the issue.
Still coming across as Essex by the way.

Ralph Wiggum

Please continue to be the poster child for the airport supporters. It makes it so much easier for the general public to form their opinion about the airport. Can you also talk to your airport friends and ask them to buy you a tax-free dictionary?

propman

I am working to help the public learn what is going on, Ralph.
My goal is for them to be deciding based on knowledge not opinion.
What exactly is your goal?
Could it be getting your Buddy Bader a low cost piece of land courtesy of the citizens of this county, which he'd then charge an exorbitant amount for them to come watch races on? So he can "hire" more volunteers provide help parking cars, selling beer (on their licence) and providing concession servers for a small donation to their group.
He even demands that the groups each provide x number of volunteers for the donation.
All while claiming those volunteers as part time employees and writing off the entrance fees (their tickets) and the donations from his taxes, then claiming that he hires "this many people" to make himself look better to the public.
Those "volunteers" are who he claims as part time workers in that "study" he had done.
You remember the one that claims the track provides $100,000,000 impact to Huron and Sandusky counties.
Even if that amount is divided evenly between the counties, then every man, woman and child in this county gets almost $1,000 flowing into their pockets from the track every year. If that was the case, everyone would be well aware of it and Bader wouldn't need to "hire" volunteers, he could well afford to have paid workers.
What the cropduster does for the farmers alone has more impact on the local economy than all of what Bader provides through his army of volunteers. It is also far more visible to many of the county's citizens then that $1,000 impact for each man, woman and child Bader's study claims.

Ralph Wiggum

Do you even have a clue what an impact study is? You think it's some kind of financial payoff where Bader cuts a check for every person in the study area to stick in their pockets? Sandusky County? I tried to read and understand what you rambled about and all I can say is, "WOW" and it's not the good kind either! Please keep helping the public learn what is going on and we'll sell the airport quicker than we thought and if Bader is the high bidder, he can buy his piece of land.

propman

Simple terms you can (maybe) understand.
If the track has an impact of $50,000,000 in the county then every living person in the county would on average see almost $1,000 impact on them
WHERE IS IT ESSEX?

propman

" You think it's some kind of financial payoff where Bader cuts a check for every person in the study area to stick in their pockets?"
Isn't that basically what you have been demanding the airport provides to prove it's impact? I have pointed out at least one, here it is again-
Sunrise sold over $750.000 in chemicals to the crop duster to apply to the local farmers fields. that increases their profits(the farmers) dramatically or they wouldn't do it (that is an impact). Sales of that much to Sunrise Has to be the difference in at least one person there having a full time job or not (another impact).
Bader made the claim that the track has a $100,000,000 impact on Huron and Sandusky counties.
Huron county has almost 60,000 as it's population and according to the county auditor's office approximately $540,000,000 in annual economic acvtivity. So for the track to bring half of that $100,000,000 to Huron county then the track (according to Bader)provides 9% of the county's total economic activity. REALLY? Everyone would have no trouble seeing that, not even Brock Lee.
That $50,000,000 impact divided by the county's population and that is where the nearly $1,000 for everyone who resides int the county comes from.

Ralph Wiggum

I've laughed at you long enough so I'll put you out of your misery. It was Huron and ERIE Counties in the economic study! You really know everything, don't you? I'm sure if you continue to use your airport math, eventually 2+2 will equal 5!
Classy move as the airport poster child taking a nasty swipe at another forum poster. Is that in the manual or did you think it up all on your own? Keep up the good work and thanks for helping us remove the toilet we keep flushing money down.

propman

I'm glad to hear you where laughing as you tried to bend the people's opinion.
Then you denigrate me on the math.
Then you denigrate me personally.
BUT you never argued the issue. That would be because you have no valid argument that stands up anywhere but in you dreams.
Here so you can have another laugh is what I had originally commented on the Bader Study-
Bader claims to have an impact of almost $100 million on the economy of Huron and Erie counties according to the study commissioned by Summit Motorsports. Looking at that claim, if you split the impact evenly between the two counties, that has Huron County gaining $50 million from the racetrack. Dividing that figure among the population of nearly 60,000 people in Huron County, the racetrack would have an impact of $833.00 per every PERSON (man, woman and child) in the county. This also comes out to be just over 9% of the total economic activity in Huron County for 2011. There was an article a while ago from the auditor's office that gave the figure of $540.1 million for the total of money spent in Huron county. When looked at with any concept of reality, the claim of that study is literally impossible to believe! Such claims makes Obama look truthful and honest!
I was posting from memory till I had a chance to get the file from the old computer.
Lets see how much more you will spin and twist.

propman

Ralph, if you have a highway running through the county without any exits it never benefits the county does it?
The airport provides the access to the aerial highway, it is the exit/entrance.
The airport allows local businesses to more easily expand their reach to markets further away vastly expanding their growth possibilities.
You love the drag races? well many of the big names that you like to see use the airport and might not show up without it. Why? the ease of access it gives them to be at such far flung sites they race at.
I've said before and will again keep both for both do bring in money however the track is not the economic engine you claim for the county.
you refuse to understand that the airport will never show it's economic impact in the budget sheets for just like the roads and bridges it is the indirect effects on local businesses where it helps the local economy. In that I'm being nice for as I see it you know that fact and are still placing your and the commissioners personal agenda ahead of the county's benefit.

Fibber Mcgee

Gees guys, I'm sorry I asked the question, anyway thanks for your reply Propman.

propman

Fibber, you asked a reasonable question and I irritated Essex's thin skin with the truth to which he is allergic.

J Cooper

Low usage, reserved for a privileged few, sell it to anyone willing to take it.

KURTje

Way to go. The same that *itch about handouts take from US. Pay your own friggin way.

methodman

Like sands through an hour glass so are the days of our lives. Lol. They should make a show about this. On this episode..... Oh, where the hell is windy at on this? He must be under the weather. Dun dun dun.

kelodhl

Question: Of all the other county owned building, how many of the county departments housed in them have actually paid the construction costs for their facilities back to the general fund? I see all sorts of excuses and condemnations when it comes to the airport, but not when it involves other county departments. Previous administrators at least had insight knowing that to bring business to the area you must invest and maintain your infrastructure which includes your airport. Anyone willing to do a little research might find that there is more to this story than is seen in print.

J Cooper

"bring business to the area " more like helping the executives make a quick get away after closing their business, with the recent lack of keeping business in this area that argument is done, sell it to anyone willing to take it.

propman

The actions of the commissioners and the paper in regards to the airport are SO attractive to potential future businesses moving into the area.
Maybe the unwillingness of people in the county to get off their couches and earn a living instead of relying on government checks has something to do with both the companies leaving and those looking, but then not moving in.

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