READERS FORUM - JFS interpretation of law disturbing

What would you say to me if I told you that your house payment, your property taxes, your utility bills and all the supplies you've bought to take care of your home are not "expenses" but, rather, they are in reality "income?" Would you think I'm just a bit misguided or would you think even worse?
Norwalk Reflector Staff
Jul 25, 2010

What would you say to me if I told you that your house payment, your property taxes, your utility bills and all the supplies you've bought to take care of your home are not "expenses" but, rather, they are in reality "income?"

Would you think I'm just a bit misguided or would you think even worse?

The reason I ask is exactly what just happened to me. I recently underwent a "review" for the purpose determining payments.

Now the unbelievable part. I own several rental homes and somehow, some way, all of the expenses just mentioned suddenly are really not "expenses" but they are counted by Huron County Job & Family Services who did the review as "income."

So my actual business "income" quadrupled and took my payments with it. Can you imagine being told that "property taxes" or "house payments" are, really, income? How would you feel?

Now, I'm not picking on the women who work at JFS, they have a tough job. However, their interpretation of the law, which clearly states that "ordinary and necessary expenses incurred in generating gross receipts..." in a business are deductible, is vastly different from reality.

What is more "ordinary" or "necessary" in owning any property than the payment or the taxes? Have you ever once thought of those things as income?

Of course, there is an "official" explanation for these "incomes."

Naturally, I've tried going above the local JFS heads to Columbus. The lady was real nice on the phone. She agreed wholeheartedly with me that this is a travesty of justice. Then, her apartment sent me a real nice form e-mail basically wishing me luck with my "legal problem."

And you thought "government" was there to serve the people, didn't you?

Surprisingly, I do feel our local JFS service women deserve a promotion, though. Think about it, if we would get them to Washington D.C. using their "math," the federal deficit would be paid off ... instantly.

Cliff Cannon

Norwalk

Comments

somebody (Anonymous)

I don't know Mr. Cannon, but I agree that rental income should be considered, but net income...that is income minus expenses...On another note..had anyone considered that the review he is speaking of is for him to pay child support not for him to collect any sort of assistance pay?

Cliff Cannon

This positively sucks that the 'Reflector' only put half my original essay here in the on-line paper."Editing" always sucks. " Editing" with the intent to intentionally hurt someone sucks more.


P.s. I have a full explanation about this article,in this section.It being last written should be first up,right? No it is dead last. Again "Reflector" this totally sucks,that you intentionally hurt people for no reason

re somebody (An...

If this is true his comments are even worse. He is trying to get out of paying for his children by claiming his income as expenses. Wow how low can this guy go. Yeah for JFS and Child Support. Good job.

Deer swiss boni...

If you're a christian, then my last name is Cougar-Mellencamp.

Achilles (Anonymous)

Why is he griping? The money is for his children.

Blank Cougar-Me...

That's my last name...swiss is a christian, and my last name is Cougar-Mellencamp.

Duh (Anonymous)

Your rental property is an income. You do not understand that monies made are considered income. I don't think they were talking about your expenses. Man what are you doing getting benefits if you have several rental properties. If you need money to buy food, sell one of your properties. I do not want to support you if you have other income. Man are you a loser.

What planet are...

Why are you getting benefits if you own property. You need to start selling off and living on it. I am sure you are making money from your renters. If this is not enough to support yourself, get a job.

Oh my gosh (Ano...

Get a job or sell your property, I do not want to support your lazy butt.

Support JFS (An...

I am not a big supporter of JFS but it seems they did this one right. Who are you to be collecting benefits if you have rental property? I agree with the others if you need money get a job or sell your property.

re support jfs ...

I agree, seems like they did something right this time. I have rental property and that is an income ask IRS.

re re support j...

You don't always make money off rentals, with the cost of insurance, upkeep and others. Now is not a good time to sell, maybe he just needs help.

re re re suppor...

If your are not putting the cost of the utilities back on the renters you are not very smart. Raise their rent so you don't have to get benefits from jfs. Man get real you cry baby. You bought the property I hope for income, make the renters pay their way. I personally do not think that is why they turned you down. They probably saw how much money you were making off the renters and turned you away. Good for them they have done their job.

Cliff are you i...

Start selling your rentals if you need help. I am just in awe right now. There are people who DON'T have rentals and own NOTHING that need benefits that can't get them. What makes you special?

todd (Anonymous)

geez; You know any farmers? Check out ewg.org and see want get (from taxpayers).

To-POOR(?) Clif...

Direct from the Huron County Auditor I bring you the following properties owned by Cliff Cannon. 15 properties.See huroncountyauditor.org Here we go folks.Cliff is going to have a big come back one this. Sell some houses and stop trying to get our tax money at JFS. Good work for knowing the manual miss JFS worker.
See below. a -0- street address is land not a house.
33009A020300000 CANNON CLIFFORD E II 87 CORWIN ST
330200030120000 CANNON CLIFFORD E II & ANN E WALKER OR SURV 28 NEWTON ST 330320020250000 CANNON CLIFFORD E II & ANN ELIZABETH OR SURV 36 GLOVER AVE 330320020260000
CANNON CLIFFORD E II & ANN ELIZABETH OR SURV 32 GLOVER AVE
330320020270000 CANNON CLIFFORD E II & ANN ELIZABETH OR SURV 0 GLOVER AVE CANNON CLIFFORD E II TRUSTEE 7 S OLD STATE RD 300090040240000 CANNON CLIFFORD E II TRUSTEE
0 OLD STATE RD 31013G010050000 CANNON CLIFFORD E II TRUSTEE 4385 LAYLIN RD 31013G010110000 CANNON CLIFFORD E II TRUSTEE 4421 GIBBS RD 330050060260000 CANNON CLIFFORD E II TRUSTEE 29 WALNUT ST 330130010140000 CANNON CLIFFORD E II TRUSTEE 11 VALLEY PARK DR 330190030270000
CANNON CLIFFORD E II TRUSTEE 7 S PEARL ST
330200010600000 CANNON CLIFFORD E II TRUSTEE
8 FORD AVE 330210070520000 CANNON CLIFFORD E II TRUSTEE
16 MARSHALL RD 330210070560000 CANNON CLIFFORD E II TRUSTEE 10 MARSHALL ST 330350050020000 CANNON CLIFFORD E II TRUSTEE 40 PARSONS ST

Cliff are you i...

That makes it even more absurd. 15 properties?! You're a self centered, greedy SOB.

Good for JFS (A...

It has to be very frustrating for the workers out there to have to put up with crap like this.This guy even admits that he complained to the workers' bosses and called Columbus to complain.I can only imagine that he also gave the worker a hard time. Cilff must of thought that his last paragraph was funny. Big guy trying to smear JFS and the worker he had. How big is Cliff now? Praise to JFS and the workers for knowing the Ohio Revised Code and for holding her ground with Cliff. It is not their "math", it is the Ohio Revised Code.

tim (Anonymous)

Sure feel sorry for young people today - they get not much of decent future because of GREED. Shame on anyone who takes 7 takes. We all pay for this STINKIN GREED. Only the little people pay taxes.

taxpayer (Anonymous)

To JFS Worker(s). Great job!! Thanks! Hope your supervisor(s) realize how valuable you are to H.County people. Cliff Cannon you are a #@%^*)(&^% & "{}%$%@!#.

an observer (An...

Cliff Cannon=TOOL

another taxpaye...

Cliff you are a greedy sorry person. I don't feel bad for you at all that you are not able to get public assistance. If anyone in Columbus even listened to what you had to say they were doing you a favor. The government is here to serve people that don't have the resources to take care of their basic needs. You obviously do.

swiss family......

isn't Mr. Cannon the guy who is usually talking about being morally rightous?? like being a good person, and trying to be as christian as possible... did he forget that "thou shall not steal" was one of the commandments??? this is why i am so afraid of the people who profess to be so christian... they are the biggest sinners and abusers of the system ... shame on you Cliff, i have lost alot of respect for you ...

Cannon guzzler ...

swiss, how is it you know everybody in this town? you know the 'garbage' you know the do-gooders, you seem to know everyone. how is that, swiss boniva?

Cannon Guzzler ...

put a cork in it, swiss boniva...we really didn't NEED your opinion on this.

swiss hater (An...

cloze thy big mouth swissy

dear swiss (Ano...

you have to demand respect in order to earn it. that's why no one on here likes you. no respect for you.

To Swiss (Anonymous)

As I anticipated you slammed Cliff and said not one word about how the JFS worker stood up to him and held her ground with the denial. Instead of giving a little credit to the worker you put mouth on ALL people who profess to be Christians saying they are the biggest sinners, blah, blah...etc. Swiss Family name yourself and stop hiding in these blogs.

To Swiss Family...

As a Christian I challenge you to read the bible and to find the same Jesus I know. One that cares about people (good and bad, guess that includes you in there somewhere)one that gave up so much so you could sit all day and write on this blog. Perhaps if you had the burdens to carry as so many others do you wouldn't be so quick to judge. I pray for you and the rest who don't know Jesus as their personal saviour. This blog is suppose to be helping others not tearing people apart. Swiss I will pray for you and your salvation. By the way, I don't know Cliff Cannon, I am sure I don't know all the details of what happen but I don't think a man should crucified for writing his opinion. I think JFS has taken enough of your criticism, I say go apply and become a worker if you think it is easy in any capacity out there and leave the rest of the world up to the only One who can handle it. I pray in His name for you. By the way He knows who you are even if we don't, so don't worry you can still hide behind the blog.

re To Swiss Fam...

Okay bring Christ into this - this is why these blogs get distorted. If you are a Christian have the courage to truly stand up for your beliefs that our veterans spilled their blood for. Sign your name.Take a stand!

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