Owner: We do not serve minors

Newton Street resident Tammi Long demands to know why her 16-year-old daughter supposedly was allowed into Charlie's Bar earlier this month and was drinking "with a bunch of friends, all underage." And she wants to know why police didn't take immediate action.
Norwalk Reflector Staff
Jul 25, 2010

Newton Street resident Tammi Long demands to know why her 16-year-old daughter supposedly was allowed into Charlie's Bar earlier this month and was drinking "with a bunch of friends, all underage."

And she wants to know why police didn't take immediate action.

"Even at my age, I'm ID'd everywhere," Long, 34, said.

Donna Rossman, who has run Charlie's Bar since August 1983, said there's no way Long's daughter made it inside her establishment July 6. Charlie's Bar has been in business since about 1933.

"We did not serve that girl," Rossman said defiantly. "No, we check IDs.

"Nobody served alcohol (to minors) and we have two security guys who check IDs," she said. "We don't serve underage. We catch them. We kick them out."

A person accused of serving or selling alcohol to a minor would be charged with sales underage. The first-degree misdemeanor is punishable by up to six months in jail and a maximum fine of $1,000.

"Obviously, if they are underage and not with a parent, it's illegal" to drink at a bar, Norwalk Police Chief Kevin Cashen said. "If we (can) make a case, we do so. If we can't make a case, we send someone in to make a (controlled underage) purchase."

Cashen said his officers have the option of doing their own investigation of juvenile-related alcohol complaints or submit it to the Ohio Investigative Unit, or doing both.

"We typically handle our own investigations," he said.

The chief noted it's not unusual to get complaints like Long's, about juveniles at Norwalk bars, but said those cases are difficult to prosecute if the family or juvenile don't cooperate.

Long said she found out about her daughter going to the Benedict Avenue bar after two women told her the girl had bruises on her face.

"They questioned her about it," Long said, and the girl accused "two grown women" of jumping her after she left work.

Long went to the intersection of East Elm Street and Woodlawn Avenue to pick up her daughter July 7, the night after she reportedly visited the bar.

"She knew at the time I knew about the drinking," Long said. She found the girl walking on East Elm.

"Her daughter did not want to go with her and said, 'I'll get another domestic violence (charge) if you don't leave me alone,'" Capt. Jack O'Neil wrote in his July 8 report. "Ms. Long then left her walking and went home, hoping she would come home."

She was located Friday in Mansfield by the Mansfield Police Department.

Since May 2006, police have made 10 underage consumption arrests at Charlie's, Cashen said. In the same time, there were two arrests on furnishing alcohol to underage persons.

Rossman calls her business "tight on security," saying her bouncers "are walking the floor all night." She said it's possible someone could have brought alcohol to a minor outside Charlie's Bar or that a minor snuck in while a bouncer was taking a bathroom break.

Charlie's bouncers are required to put large X's on people's hands if they are under 21, signifying they're not allowed to be served alcohol. Long said when her sister filled out a police report, O'Neil doubted her allegation that she had witnessed Charlie's bartenders serve alcohol to underage drinkers.

"I know Capt. O'Neil is following up," Cashen said.

"Dating back to January 2005, that establishment (Charlie's) had only one violation of underage consumption," said Tom Hunter, spokesman for the Ohio Department of Public Safety.

"Obviously, we would prefer that would be zero. But over the past 30-plus months there are no signs of problems with this establishment. The times we have been in to check we have found no problems."

Comments

Mad as Hell (An...

Did anyone take the time to read the story about the two brothers that were drinking at a bar on Benedict Avenue? I am quoting what I read in this other story "Two witnesses saw both men at a Benedict Avenue bar minutes before the crash, Lt. Jim Bryan said. One of the witnesses reported seeing Timothy Brant consuming alcohol. And to add to this now we hear about an underage child drinking at this bar that is located on Benedict Avenue. Are these two cases connected and if it is why is this bar still opened. And what happened to the friends of this girl who were also drinking at this bar. Why haven’t the police done anything? This makes me mad to know that bars are protected but parents are pushed aside. So where do we go for help if our own police department does nothing. Someone should look into both these cases because serving alcohol to a minor is just as bad as serving alcohol to someone that is extremely drunk.

KizorSozae (Ano...

Not the parents responsibility but the cops, the bar, the public....Grow up and discipline your child...Has this kid been disciplined by the family for her actions? Next week she'll go the Shamrock, the week after could be the Office Bar, or the Eagles, and let me guess, you will then say those three legal establishments also serve minors and it is their fault and they should be shut down....GIVE ME A BREAK....the public and the police are not responsible for disciplining and/or raising your kid!

me (Anonymous)

I 100% agree with Kizor!

ha ha (Anonymous)

No but i hope that when one of these kids drink and drive its you and your family that die

KizorSozae (Ano...

Anyone who drinks and drives will get their alcohol whether or not Charlie's is open or closed....you can't close every place that sells/serves it, next we'll be closing McDonald's because it's fattening...your point is moot.

Blame game (Ano...

Blame eveyone else but the child and the parent.

yes they do (An...

Charlie's bar does to serve minors, I am now 22 but that is where all of our "group" went to drink when we were 18 and 19!

re blame game (...

maybe some of these other people need to start taking the blame to for there part in it. Because the only peraon that will get the fine is the mom. this county blames parents only not the kids not the bars and not the grown ups that give under age kids stuff. Its about time a mother said no more others need to take some blame for there part in it. Laws police are paid to up hold them. We pay Norwalk to do nothing.

re:KizorSozae (...

You need to get of the booze this story is about serving minors not who can drink and drive you must be already drunk and now you can't understand what the story was about. Take an asprin and call the doctor tomorrow your wasted today.....

lol

charlies is a j...

regardless if they served minors or not, charlie's surely dont have a problem serving someone till they are so clearly intoxicated that they leave and get KILLED IN A CAR ACCIDENT!!!!!!!! yes that is right charlies was the bar that served my brother last!!!!!when he left,and was killed soon after. isnt it against the law for a bartender/establishment serve someone who is clearly intoxicated, and it isnt a question,i already know the answer.

in memory of Michael D. Brant March 28,1978-July 5,2007
Charlie's demise will come my brother

So will Tim's (...

If you wanna start blaming charlie's your Michael Brant's death, now that is a strech. There is only one person responsible for that.

AlterEgo (Anonymous)

Still no response from the poster who said I was wrong about the laws....I guess that is what you call a smackdown.....WWE style.

Hold on now... ...

OK now, There is already 2 blog's filled with Brant's VS. Everyone on here. If you think you have a case (And you just might) Contact a lawyer. I'm sure he would tell you to let him take care of it. Its better to be thought a fool, Than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. Let a lawyer do your talking for you!!

me (Anonymous)

How can you blame Charlies for Tim killing Mike? It was his own fault, The Brants just want someone to blame. First they blamed Jeff and said he was driving, then it was Amy for letting them take the car, now it's the bar for serving him. Face the facts, it's Tim's fault and no one elses.

charlies is a j...

for all of those out there, who dont know the facts especially the person who logged in as *me*, shut the hell up, and face the facts you dont know what happened, unless you were the person driving, big shocker there someone in norwalk causing unnecessary drama!! charlies messed up, my brothers went in there the day OF the funeral and got served free drinks, (which is also illegal)*because they(charlies) were upset* donna was covering her butt, cause i am sure she knows the laws, at least i would hope she does, SHE OVER SERVED SOMEONE WHICH IS ILLEGAL, and tim wasnt driving *witch* (they wont let you cuss), maybe if you used some common sense before you started running your mouth you would understand that, and atler ego, you arent the center of attention, you are right, but back off, this isnt about you. charlies served someone that was obviously drunk and that is against the law, if they cared so much for their customer, maybe they would have done a better job, at their job as a business owner...geez donna fight your own battles, instead of the customers to whom you give free drinks to do it. i am sure for their posts you will give them a drink or few, hey maybe someone else can get killed leaving your bar AGAIN

In memory of Michael D. Brant. March 28,1978--July 5, 2007
Charlies demise will come my brother

Hold on now... ...

Shhhhhh....... Get a lawyer.

charlies is a j...

thanks hold on now, trust me already have one, i know my rights and i know what i can or cant say. Family is Family and my brother's death will not go unrecognized or unjustified!!!!

In memory of Michael D. Brant. March 28,1978--July 5, 2007
Charlies demise will come my brother

re: charlies is...

I agree, Charlies is a joke, but I also have pictures of the car, There is no way a third person could have been in that car without another body-bag.

charlies is a j...

but the car they were driving had an air-bag, the marks that my other brother tim sustained, *NO WAY*,Mikey's death will not be in vein or unjustified.Charlies sucks!! they are lawbreakers and they will not go unpunished.

In memory of Michael D. Brant. March 28,1978--July 5, 2007 Charlies demise will come my brother "

Dude..... (Anon...

You need to direct some of your anger to the one who killed your brother, your other brother Tim. He was driving. I know he will regret the decision he made for the rest of his life and I truly feel sorry for him in that respect. But, maybe if you guys would step up and take responsibility for your own actions you wouldn't always be looked down upon.

I'm Sorry (Anon...

I can't imagine what I would do or feel if I was told that my underage child was drinking at a bar that is meant for people who are 21 yrs old. And I can't imagine what the family (Brants) are going through they have lost a family member. I'm glad this mom is doing something about it because if she doesn't maybe one day she might be put in the situation that the Brant family is now in. This bar has touched both these families in a negative way. And none of us can really say what we would do until we are put in their shoes. So what happens now, in a couple of days we will forget about both these families. But these two families will never be the same again. So what would we do as parents/family if we lost a child because someone kept serving him drinks or our underage child was seen in a bar drinking illegaly. NO ONE CAN TELL ME THEY WOULD DO NOTHING AT ALL!!!!!!!!!

Hold on now... ...

Anyone know if there are Photos online? I thought someone said the car was split longways? (Front to back) I'm sure the State Patrol will do a very good job!! It my take awhile but you can trust the results.

charlies is a j...

no there are no photos, but justice will come for those who forgot to remember the importance of friends and family, but had the nerve to cry at MY brothers funeral, like they knew nothing happenened!! your judgement will come and for those who DROVE, may your god have mercy on your soul,

In memory of Michael D. Brant. March 28,1978--July 5, 2007 Charlies demise will come my brother " "

re:alterego (An...

apparently you have not seen judge spencer in action!she states:if a parent let's their child{a minor} drink at their home,she can&will bring charges against the parent,& they could get their home taken away!!now that is a crock of dung!!glorious huron county!

tired (Anonymous)

i'm tired of reading all the threats on here about the driver of the accident.and saying ch.demise will come my bro.!what kind of getto talk is this!grow up !if your an adult then suck it up & deal with it!in the proper way!you think that your the only one that has lost a loved one?or had a severe tradgedy in their life? well you are NOT!further more these people were not held at gunpoint or handcuffed& made to drink!they made a choice.their choice.all this penned up anger is not good for anyone.and by the way-i'm not a friend to donna or anyone else down there,i personaly think she's snotty& rude!but that is my opinion.

AlterEgo (Anonymous)

Who the heck is Judge Spencer? An Ohio Judge. I think not because that would be quite contrary to OHIO LAW. Now what I am saying is different from parent hosting drinking parties where minors other than their own are drinking. That IS illegal by Ohio State Law.

re:alterego (An...

why do you think not-that she is an ohio judge?she is,a norwalk,ohio judge!she used to be a juvey officer for the court, years ago.before that,she was a driving instructor i believe-out at shady lane complex.you need to get YOUR facts straight now!and she states:if a parent thinks they are doing the smart thing -by letting their minor child consume any drug or alcohol in huron county they have another thing coming!and another fact-if a minor child is with his/her legal parent or gaurdian in a public bar they may consume alcohol on this premis-1:the legal parent or g. has to serve the minor{this means the bartender has to put the drink in front of the parent,Not the minor},then the parent can serve the minor2:the money for the drinks has to be from the parent,to the bartender{no money can change hands from minor to bartender}3:parent&minor have to sit at the bar together!so-now it's out there!knowledge is power!

harry s. (Anonymous)

do not click on the following url if you are a minor (that means under 21 and break the law if you drink alcohol)or are easily offended.
could the folks shown be involved in this story or some of the posters?????????

http://themot.org/gallery/d/1498...

charlies bar ne...

yes oh so true charlies used to be a nice place to go until it was all about money. donna doesn't care about anyones children. i to used to go to charlies until it became about serving young kids and letting people get hurt stabbed killed etc. donna doesn't have bouncers those are are just customers who gets free beer for sitting at the door making it look good.first of all who would want to pay to get in to that sh// hole.as for the brant boys Tim has to live with this for the rest of his life . so should the person who served him knowing he was already drunk ...as for serving underage and norwalks finest norwalk police don't care anymore than charlies does

Re:alterego (An...

I'm with alterego on this one Judges are elected and I don't even recall that name!! She may have been a refree or worked for the judge but I doubt she was ever a judge.

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