Norwalk school board ponders possible cuts

Since 2008, Norwalk's revenue loss has added up to more than $2 million per year.
Aaron Krause
Dec 5, 2012

 

The Norwalk City Schools budget will be cut. The question now is, in what areas.

School officials discussed possibilities, but took no action, at a recent special meeting.

Since 2008, Norwalk's revenue loss has added up to more than $2 million per year, due to federal and state education budget cuts. The special meeting came in the wake of voters defeating on election day an additional tax for daily operating purposes. The levy would have raised $1.85 million annually for the school system for five years. Last March, almost 60 percent of voters turned down a 6-mills additional levy that would have generated $2 million to cover daily operations.

The state is requiring district officials to come up with a written plan to make up for deficit spending in fiscal year 2014. It is due to the Ohio Department of Education on Dec. 31.

A story about this subject was published in the Reflector.

 

Comments

swiss family

it is understandable, in tough economic times like this, that things can not go on as "usual" So, either we need to provide more money for the schools.. which , when the recent levy was defeated, it is obvious that the taxpayers said "NO" to that option, so now we need to look at where and what to cut out of the school budget..


Somehow to the board, it makes sense to just make the most harmful cuts, then put the levy on the next ballot to see if we learned our lesson.. But it costs money, our money to put it on the next ballot, and on all the rest of the ballots until we cry "Uncle" and give in to them... why can't we have an honesty and forthcoming discussion about how and where the taxpayers feel the money can be cut..To me, for them to cut busing, and sports, would be like figuring your household budget and seeing that you need to make some cuts, and immediately deciding to sell you only car.....it will actually hurt you in the long run, so to me that is NOT the answer.

How about posting a complete list of all of the school employees , including all the teachers, principals, staff, secretaries, custodians, cafeteria workers, coach's, aides, everyone... and let the public who pays their salaries determine if we feel they are necessary, and are worth the money we are paying them and if they are worth their pay...I do know that there are websites where you can go and find some salaries, but not all... I know I was shocked at the first one I looked up, and realized that one of the Principals for one of the small schools in the system was earning over $100,00.00 a year... if this person is making that kind of money then do we really need each school to have their own highly paid Principal??? and all of the staff that is paid to support them??

instead of going through this every few years... why not face this head on and honestly... no more games, no more whimpering, and lets find a real solution and see what we are actually paying and for what and then leveling with the people, and with the school board and make the cuts that need to be made, instead of going immediately to busing and sports in my opinion

jack langhals

Wow ,a good post.I was in business for years and it wasn't really that hard to decide how to survive.It was hard to cut employees,but necessary after all the unnecessary fat had been cut.No one is that overworked that they can't pick up the slack, in most cases.

kal-el

About 25 people attended Mr. Doughty's public meeting a month ago, most of whom were school employees. Did you go, Swiss? Have you attended a Norwalk School Board meeting? Ever? My guess is no.

No, not really a guess.

swiss family

you are absolutely right I did not go to the public meeting, so then according to you, I can not have an opinion and voice my opinion on how my and our money is spent? I have never been to the White House either, but I still have an opinion on politics....AND thank you for re-enforcing my point... it is not like I am holding off after all of the public decisions about the school system was hashed over and decided by the hundreds of local people at the community meeting.... so if they only heard from 25 "school employees" like you say then I am especially glad that it is NOT too late to voice an opinion from a citizen and taxpayer who is NOT a "school employee"

swiss family

and what is with your attack??? I did not attack anyone,. I asked for a resolve to the endless problem.....maybe anger management is a good place for you to start, before you let your fingers go walking..in my opinion...lol

RRB34

Swiss, I have been involved and watching school districts across the state make endless cuts and these cuts are complicated and emotional which ever way you go. If you truly want to be involved don't waste time posting on this forum and call the Superintendent's office and ask how you can get involved. Most districts will have committees that allow their stakeholders to participate. You show passion and concern so please get in there, get educated on the issues at hand and let's see where it leads your opinion on public education concerning cuts and needed revenue.

thirtysomething

Want to see what our school employees make? Look here: http://www.buckeyeinstitute.org/... I was shocked by how low some of our supporting staff is paid, but equally as shocked to see how high our administration is paid! We have like 40 individuals earning over $70,000. One of them is double dipping to the tune of almost $200,000!!!!!

Sarrak

Unfortunately excessive salaries for school personnel exist across the state and are going to require a statewide legislative solution in order to work.

RRB34

Yes, I know of some teachers that earn nearly $35,000 a year, way to excessive for college educated professional in charge of our children 35 hours a week.

Sarrak

And what is the hourly rate for those teachers? Is it not higher than doctorate level employees in the county who don't work for schools? I'll even do the math for you - 184 days 7.75 hours per day equals 1426 pay hours per year - approx 24.54/hr works out to slightly less than 35,000.

Blaze

More time goes into teaching than just the time they are with the kids. I'm sure they have to do continuing education, grade papers, meetings, etc.

Warped

What else is there to cut than busing and sports?? The almighty teachers union will never let one of there own get cut.

oceanspray

Posting teachers salaries is fine....But i think we should look at Police and fire and all county workers....do it all!!!!!

Sarrak

I agree that all public employees should be looked at - What you will find will shock you. All county public employees' pay can be found at the County Auditors office. If you bother to do this you will discover that many of the school administrators' pay far exceed the pay of the highest paid elected official in the county with equivalent education. If you look at hourly rates you will find that school employees pay exceeds many if not most other public employees who have greater education than they do. The same holds true for Norwalk city employees although not to the same extent as county employees. To be fair either school employees should take a cut or other public employees should get substantial raises. Don't take my word for it - go look yourselves.

Contango

How do you solve a serious demographic problem?

Ya can't keep educatin' em and then have 'em move away and not become future taxpayers 'cause there are no decent jobs.

The socio-economic dynamic is unsustainable.

Either local taxes and fees need to go up or the number and/or quality of services will decline.

IMO, Mr. Doughty is doin' the best he can with what he's got to work with.

Plan C to follow.

fedup2

Well, we all know who Kal-el collects a check from! Hope they aren't a bus driver or coach....Oh wait, that is just a scare the tax payer tactic. I agree with Swiss 100% on this one.

swiss family

thank you !!

swiss family

if we could just put things in perspective here... the Principal that I looked up made slightly Over $100,000.00.. and he has a Superintandant over him, and also a staff and back up like guidance counselor, athletic director etc to make his job easier...The last time I researched it.. the President of the USA makes $245.000.00...??? and we are then saying that our ONE small school Principal in our little small town is making close to HALF of the Presidents salary?????? I haven't researched it yet, but now I am curious to see what the Vice president earns... compared to what our small town, one principal makes... I will bet they are pretty close....??? I think I am starting to see where we might be able to make some money saving cuts, and it sure is NOT busing and sports

Norwalk Lifer

How much should a principal make? $50,000 or just less than you? Any idea what the qualifications to be a principal are? Any idea what a principal does?

RRB34

College Profs are earning $150,000 plus per year and I don't hear this community complaining about them. But then again those that remain in this depressed town do not have a college education to understand it.

swiss family

I would have no problem with the principal making $100,000.00 if it were just one for our school system... how many little schools do we have scattered across town, a very SMALL town I might remind you... and with today's technology , computers and cell phones, all of the schools are well within 2 miles of each other.. so if there were ONE principal who oversaw these schools.. then the money seems worth it.. but to be multiplying this money times, I believe 5 is a whole lot of money it is a half a Million dollars...to me that is a waste.. and that is where we might be able to make some cuts...Just because we have always done something , does NOT mean in different economic times that nwe can continue to do so//

Norwalk Lifer

So the new district principal will now do five times the work for the same salary? Again, do you know what a principal does? You seem to have some time on your hands so why don't you research that or, better yet, contact a principal and see what they do.

swiss family

so if we are spening $500,000.00 for our cdurrent principals, of course we would NOT expect anyone to take on 5 times the responsibility.. but we wouldn't give the the entire $500,000.00 either... we should be able to9 get nONE principal to oversee all of the schools. for sway $200,000.00.. that alone would and could save over a quarter Milliuon dollars!!!! This is NOT Toledo, or Cleveland.. it is small town Norwalk.. Personally I do not know the difference betweenwhgat a Superentendant andd a Priuncipal does..ande don't say watch over students.. because so do teachers, cafeteria workers, school crossing guards etc do... I happen to think that we are wasting money in this marea... and we shouuld look at waste here instead of bussing and sports...

If you want to see it on a different scale, look at Monroeville school... all of their classes are inj one location yet they have on the same premisis, a superentendant, and Principlas as well... plus, staff and office workers who exclusively work for each individually... does that seem to be wasteful spending???? It sure does to me, and Norwalk although it is a little more spread out.. to me it is just as wasteful

RRB34

Were you drunk when you wrote this?

RRB34

Well Swiss, this post shows that you have no credibility in decision making. The President earns $400,000 annually and before Bill Clinton's administration increased it it was $200,000 and never was it $245,000. The VP makes $227,300.

Contango

The perqs and bennies are worth much, much more than their “measly” salary.

Check out History: To become Commander in Chief of the Continental Army, Geo. Washington refused a salary, but agreed to an expense account - he cleaned up!

swiss family

I did say that "the last time I checked it, and that I would have to check it further... I do know this... if we are paying the Principals $100,000.00... and there are 5 of them... right there that is $500,000.00in just Principal pay... that is a half a Million dollars... do I think that is way too much...ABSOLUTELY I DO!!!

oceanspray

RRB34...College Profs are private payed...not payed by the public....

RRB34

Look again Ocean, professors at "State" schools are public employees thus paid with public funding.

thirtysomething

I'm guessing that public college profs are paid by the tuition that students pay to attend that profs class.

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